i was young, i was 22 when we first started. >> did you have moments of real temptation? >> oh, yeah, i still do. >> did you fall at any time? >> had my ups and downs. but it's -- i'm really -- i mean, most content and happy i've ever been right now. ♪ >> how in retrospect do you view your second album? >> i love our second album. the great thing that came from it is it put -- i always had a chip on my shoulder but the chip, you know, it really got bigger. we started playing live. and i just sang my guts out. and we wanted to show them how good this album is. and look at these people's reactions. and we became a really powerful live band by the end of "sam's town." ♪ breaking my back just to know your name ♪ ♪ 17 tracks and i've had it >> one of the things i find totally fascinating about you is you have no bones about wanting to be and to stay a big rock star. >> yep. i was -- i didn't know it any other way. i think i attribute it to being from where i'm from. there's -- if i were to come up to -- if the killers were to come up in new york, we would not have exis